Saturday, November 20, 2010

J contributed this NEWS on DADT. . . .the entire page is pertinent.


2 responses to “Levin poised to strip DADT repeal from defense spending measure”

  1. AndrewW
    DADT repeal has been dead for a long time. We have only 55 LGBT-supportive votes in the US Senate – it cannot pass. Obama can’t change any votes and it’s silly to suggest that. All we’ve seen in that last few months is a bunch of non-profit advocacy groups pretending there was a chance. They do this to raise money. Unfortunately, people believe them.
    If we want to pass DADT repeal we need 60 US Senators, in the lame duck we are 5 short. In January we will have only 53 LGBT-supportive Senators. What are HRC and these other “advocates” doing about that reality?
    LGBT advocacy and activist groups are about raising money to pay their salaries more than creating a strategy to actually win. They have no incentive to finish the job, because they’d be out of their jobs. That is something that MUST be corrected.
  2. Truetuft
    AndrewW, I beg to differ. you are spouting the same incorrect right-wing talking points about LGBT advocacy groups I see copied on to other sites. You are a schill for the Neocons. Truth is that many senators are loath to vote against the larger spending bill lest they be viewed as weak on defense. They will vote to end DADT by passing the spending bill with the DADT removal sections in this larger piece of legislation. Discrimination is wrong. The military survey shows this will not disrupt troop morale or readiness, McCain is wrong, and guess what DADT will not keep gays out of the military anyway, we are already there serving along side our fellow countrymen and women.

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J said...

DADT could very well be repealed during this lame duck session if it remains an amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill. Those who are scared of the electorate can justify a yes vote by saying that it was incorporated in the funding for our military, and also point to the Defense Department study set for public release on December 1, which probably will say the policy is outmoded and that repeal will cause no harm to readiness. Now that it is a "stand alone" piece of legislation the game is probably over. The only way Levin can justify this betrayal is if he wants to estrange Republicans from moderate voters by forcing them to publicly vote against repeal. And what a disgusting and misguided excuse that would be!
If this thing dies in the lame duck session the only hope for change would be in the courts. The lawyers backing these challenges should incorporate the Defense Department study in the record of their appeals if it is as supportive as it's supposed to be. Then there would be a good factual argument that enforcement of DADT is an invidious discrimination.

Gary Kelly said...

Is there any logic to being a DADT supporter?

To me, DADT means it's okay to have gays and lesbians serving in the military as long as they keep it a secret.

But a secret from whom?

I suspect that supporters of DADT are more worried about the reaction of homophobes than they are about gays and lesbians.

There could be a whole bunch of McCains and Palins serving in the military, in which case the repeal of DADT could be catastrophic.

JCinmeforever said...

Well thanks to the House Republicans who changed the 'up or down' vote to require a 60 majority on bills passed, (btw - it wasn't a 60 majority in congress during many of the BUSH years!) I'm convinced, Republican Conservatives are doing all they can to discredit any forward momentum of the Obama Administration...8 years of CRAP affecting the poor, elderly and working middle class in this country has resulted. One Liberal tries to clean it up, though not perfect, at least there is an effort 'to do the right thing.' I support repeal of DADT, and I only wish that Congress would not have a darned thing to say of it!

J said...

Unless I'm mistaken, the 60 vote majority is merely the level required to affect cloture to stop a filibuster. It applies to both sides of the aisle. Republicans are hardly likely to filibuster a defense authorization bill. The abiding question is, why did Levin take DADT out of the authorization bill.

JCinmeforever said...

J, your correct. My thinking is 60 vote count was hardly pushed in the BUSH almost every thing Congress votes on is mandated at 60 votes. 'Up or down' majority vote I believe is more fair, no matter which side of the isle.