Thursday, January 28, 2010


Regardless of where you currently stand on Marriage Equality [aka same-gender marriage] you really ought to read this article for a clear/clearer background on the legal facts. Thorough, well written, a valuable read.
~~justin o'shea

A Risky Proposal

Is it too soon to petition the Supreme Court on gay marriage?

by Margaret Talbot January 18, 2010

A still from the advertisement “Family Values.” After the Proposition 8 vote, new ads have aimed to make same-sex marriage palatable by emphasizing the conventionality of gay couples.

A still from the advertisement “Family Values.” After the Proposition 8 vote, new ads have aimed to make same-sex marriage palatable by emphasizing the conventionality of gay couples.


Gary Kelly said...

Yes, high time for a new image. When same sex marriage is mentioned, many people think of the gay and lesbian mardi gras - false eyelashes and G-strings. Maybe instead they should think about Adam and Steve changing diapers, mowing the lawn, doing the shopping, sending the kids off to school and vacuuming the house.

Anonymous said...

Heehee, Gary used the word "diapers" when here in Oz we usually use the word "nappy", as I guess Gary usually does. But I guess you are adjusting your language for your perceived audience Mr Kelly? Nah, stick with ‘our’ language and let the others learn how we talk for a change, ha!

But more seriously, I agree with you. The image, the gay image is how others generally see ‘us’.

I think it unfortunate that my "straight-style" of gay life is tangled up with the outwardly visual and what I regard as "tacky" face of those who take on the stereotypical appearance of what the majority of straight people believe homosexual people to look and act like.

In fact I resent it. A bit strong perhaps, I’ll explore it a bit more…..

I just don't like the 'gay voice', or the faggy appearance that some gay people adopt, it's like a uniform.

It seems that at some stage in their lives they came to the realisation that they were not 'normal' but 'gay' They adopt the uniform so that they can 'belong' and comply with what they, and others, perceive as necessary to be gay.

Yes, I don't like stereotypes, I don't like uniformity, or uniforms, that’s not for me, I don’t need it, I don’t have a grand desire to “belong” as perhaps the majority of people do?
I applaud individuals and individuality. I don't like being associated with what the general public believe gay people to be like.
Yup, I do resent it.

Hmm...I've not expressed this before. I don't hate people or even dislike those who are stereotypically gay, I just don't feel comfortable with it. Faggy voice and appearance just aint me.

Sure, I'll hold hands, I'll even kiss in public, if the occasion arises (lol) but I'll go on derssing and acting like a normal human being and not take on the uniform. I don’t need a badge.

Yep, I'll think on this some more. Interesting.

Thanks Jus,
Greg in Adelaide

J said...

I'm with Bill Maher on this issue: Why shouldn't gays be able to get married and be just as miserable as married straights are. After they've been through contested custody and equitable distribution proceedings they'll rue the day they insisted on it. We've got a married lesbian couple wrapped up in a vicious custody fight in Northern Virginia, and its a shame the judge can't lock both these women up so that the poor child can find some sanity in her life.

Gary Kelly said...

LOL! J's line about being just as miserable as they are is a classic! I love it to peeeeeeeces!

As to Greg's comment about diapers, yeah. I have adopted Merry Can spelling cos I got tired of explaining myself.

A friend of mine, an Aussie fishermen, spent time in Canada. He got so tired of always having to repeat himself, he eventually adopted the accent just for a bit of peace.

But he always insisted on called it 'Canadia' just to upset the natives hehe.

As to uniforms, yep, I'm with Greg. There's only one uniform I wear and that's exclusive to me.

Stew said...

If I died today, I would know that my husband would not become homeless because we have taken the neccisary measures to leagally make the house both of ours. If our marriage was recognized in Michigan, it would have saved us a lot of paperwork and cash.
Not everyone ends up in divorce.
It's a risk that you take (getting married). It takes a lot of trust and forgiveness. If you stick with it, it can pay off big.

Coop said...

I think patience is needed.
Look closely at the stats regarding acceptance/support of same-sex marriage. Even among evangelicals.
It's probably the idiotic ad campaigns that ruin everything.

Greg, your comments are bang on.
I didn't emerge from the closet as Dame Edna's neice nor do I worry about how my butt looks when I buy clothes. Unfortunatley, the mass media pays no attention to the rest of us because we're boring.

I'll think on it some more as well.

J said...

Stew--You can accomplish the same result by holding the ownership as tenants in common with right of survivorship. Married people hold as tenants "by the entireties", which vests sole ownership in the survivor after the death of his or her spouse, but also has the added benefit that the law looks on the marital union as a separate entity, and the creditors of one spouse cannot subject entireties property to sale to recover for debts not incurred by both spouses.
Most folks have to see a lawyer to buy real estate, or do estate plannning, so even if you are not married you should ask your attorney to take steps to achieve the results you seek irrespective of whether or not you are married.