Thursday, November 19, 2009


We discussed this in class yesterday. IF the US Catholic bishops will/can accept this statement from the people at John Jay College of Criminal Justice -- the bishops are funding this study with big $bucks -- and accept the position of the American Psychiatric Association and modern medicine and science in general that homosexuality is not a disease or mental illness, then maybe they will stop their fundamentalist nonsence that homosexuality is an objective disorder which orients gays to intrinsically evil actions then just maybe some gay Catholic will begin the healing process from shame and guilt, self-loathing, fear of violence, etc -- the litany is well known! [Phew! that is one long sentence!!!]

It is a well known fact that the various churches have driven many thousands of gays out of the church, away from some kind of religious affiliation and active involvement. The Catholic Church is one of the chief offenders. Pope Benedict XVI says that in the Catholic Church there is room for everyone. Nice words, hope-filled words, but the actions, attitudes, etc do not back up that implied invite and welcome.

Not just the churches but society in general hold/believe without any intellectual backup that homosexuals are pedophiles.. . .that homosexuality is the same as the disease of pedophila. . .the media is very guilty of this bit time.

In the small group therapy practice I have been part of for three years now we've had some lively [a mild word! hahaha] discussion on this topic. This AP report added more fuel to the 'raging fire'. . hehehee. Four of the seven members are RCs; three of these guys are still active in the church. Our experiences with organized religion -- spirituality being part of this -- are varied and diverse. With the same people over these three years we've come to some unity in our thoughts, feelings and convictions.

I invite you readers to share your thoughts, ideas, comments about anything this blog-post might evoke. Your contributions will help our on-going education on this important issue.
THANKS in advance.

Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests

Rachel Zoll of the Associated Press has a story which indicates that the Vatican's 2005 decision to exclude gay men from the priesthood in the wake of the pedophilia scandals was misguided:
A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday. The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice won't be completed until the end of next year. But the authors said their evidence to date found no data indicating that homosexuality was a predictor of abuse.
"What we are suggesting is that the idea of sexual identity be separated from the problem of sexual abuse," said Margaret Smith of John Jay College, in a speech to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "At this point, we do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now."
Let the search for new scapegoats begin.


Gary Kelly said...

When ever I read about the abuse of children by adults, I never think of the abusers as homosexual, but rather as pedophiles.

Priests who engage in sex with adult males barely cause a ripple in the media. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is a different situation altogether. It's pedophilia that is the problem, not homosexuality. And the two are very different and distinct forms of behavior.

You don't need to be a genius to figure that out.

Stew said...

"With the same people over these three years we've come to some unity in our thoughts, feelings and convictions."
This says a lot... It implies that you have discussed it. I think in the past, people just haven't wanted to address the issue and are quick to give blame.
Perhaps the larger issue (in the catholic church) is that they deny thier clergy of sex all together. I believe their is a lot of oppression going on. Children are simply an easy target (opposite or same sex).

Coop said...

Pedophilia is sickening. I equate it as another orientation altogether that deserves neither affirmation, nor sanction, nor protection. I would not go so far as to think that the bishops believed that ALL homosexuals are led to intrinsically evil actions. I don't blame the church for wanting to know... to understand. I'm a Masshole. I've lived through this scandal.
My mom hasn't said much but when I'm around Dad and friends that he's known from childhood, there are mentions of what neighborhood priests were up to and who they went after.
The church buried this under the rug for decades. If a priest got caught in one parish, they packed off to another. Catholic parshioners in Mass are still Pissed over the way this was handled. For awhile there were schemes to keep 100% of the $ contributions in the Parish with 0% going to the Arch. Cardinal Law, the archbishop at the time, isn't popular. He's in Rome now. Howie Carr, our local conservative talk jock, tracked him down to learn that former Cardinal L no longer greets visitors from Boston.

To put it bluntly, I don't see what's so bad about this study. I'm confused actually. What Justin wrote about the bishop's belief: "homosexuality is an objective disorder which orients gays to intrinsically evil actions" seems to contradict what I was told by clergy -- same sex attraction (the feeling) is not a sin.
However, stories by Shazza, O'Shea, Gary, and others have led me to believe that my experience is different. Perhaps I should ask another Priest? I never pay attention to the things that Justin and his group do. When I go to church I just follow along. 7 a.m. Sunday is the best. No hymns!
Before we all get too worried... the church also frowns on sex between men and women who are unmarried.

I'm not so sure I want to heal as a Catholic. I put tremendous value in my relationship with [skyward point] THE BOSS. Am I missing something by not caring if a church accepts me?

My head hurts now...