Thursday, April 5, 2012

Some Shared Conversation. . . .




<<. After all, the Catholic church does consider us valid members of God's creation.
(editorial comment: We often have to read how we are intrinsically disordered to get to that).>>
JustinO'Shea said...
Unless you keep reading the same old stuff, over and over. . .you DO NOT run into that "disordered crap" much any more. . . it's more harping on "the rules". . ."the teaching". . "dignity of marriage", etc etc.

One must be selective in one's readings. . .aim for the truth. . not the "interpretive bias perspiration". We do not need to keep going back to hurtful harmful non-productive material. Remember, "the teaching of the Church" is that conscience is the ultimate norm of/for morality. We are intelligent; we are educated. . .and we are "people of good will" sincerely trying to live as followers of Christ. . . or wherever one finds one's norms for moral living. Very few people deliberately, freely, choose to live evil or immoral lives. We are decent, caring, loving people.

We need to trust ourselves and one another. We need to surround our lives with good, responsible, accountable life and living. MOST people do that. You will find many gay and straight people living this way and working in the care-giving-service professions.

We need to stop smelling around the negativity in life. That is terribly toxic and debilitating. We need to live and act responsibly for the world/people around us. The way our thinking/seeking/giving attitudes grow creates the world around us in which we live. Spew venon. . ..well, it make little things sick. . .and big things too.
Show kindness, compassion, caring, healthy attitudes. . .that creates a healthy environment. AND we are responsible/answerable for the world we create.

Easter is about NEW LIFE. Live it! Happy Easter. ;-))

15 comments:

Stew said...

I firmly believe that this will be a non-issue in the future. But we are here now.
The younger crowd sees things differently than the older crowd. Unfortunately the older crowd and their ways are still here. As their numbers decrease, they will begin to scream louder.
And as with drag queens representing gays, so does this older, screaming, church crowd represent "the church". They are difficult to ignore. And they won't go quietly. But they will go.

They certainly can't tell me what I believe to be true no more than I can them.

J said...

You're our favorite martyr, Justin.

JustinO'Shea said...

If you use the word 'martyr' in the original meaning of WITNESS, then Thank You.

If you mean "bloody suffering" etc. . I claim no part therein. LOL

J said...

I meant the latter because of your long struggle with your church, but it was also a play on the name of Saint Justin Martyr.

JustinO'Shea said...

Hahaha. . I like that also. . .Justin Martyr. . . Justin is a solid name, non?

Jim said...

Here here! Well said Justin! Now if the church was only progressive enough to recognize their faithful, like yourself, they would snap you up and put you to work! You take things much more seriously than most of the entrenched hierarchy.

JustinO'Shea said...

Seriously? You bet your boots - or whatever, lol - I do! I BELIEVE it! Why? Because I KNOW!

LOL and as for work. . I have a job. . the one I want. . .right now. ;-))

RADICALJOE said...

Jim--can you see Justin, as Father Justin. The line outside his confessional would be never ending. LOL Amen

Coop said...

You're my favorite martyr, Justin :)

And I think you're right. The reason for my editorial comment is that I am upset because the Catholic church, as an institution, stays quiet when "christians" say that gay people are less than others, should be harassed, should commit suicide.
The Church only needs to remind people that Gay folks are valued members of God's creation.
Face off against the Phelps brigade and affiliated crazies.

Coop said...

RadJoe, I'm with you. Rev. Justin O'Shea!

JustinO'Shea said...

OMMMGGGGGGG! Gimme a break, huh?
Sheeeeesssssshhhhh!!!

Coop said...

Take the compliment, Justino :)

Jim said...

Yes! 'Bless mt father, for I have sinned'! Well, kind of....lol

JustinO'Shea said...

YES, COOPSTA, I do. . .for sure. . .;-) THANKS> mwaaaah

JustinO'Shea said...

OH. . .really, Jim? For your penance take Sophie to the Beach. . .:-)))