tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post6218803635120584431..comments2023-06-05T09:55:27.129-04:00Comments on JUSTIN DUNES: WHY. . . Hate Gays, Ye "Christians" ?JustinO'Sheahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07379283329949646000noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-43736922735708225692013-02-10T01:40:18.264-05:002013-02-10T01:40:18.264-05:00Justin.
As you can see from my comments, I do beli...Justin.<br />As you can see from my comments, I do believe that the reproductive pyramid scheme, the continuance ot the generations, the numbers of those who practice and support the Christain faith is a concious reality and policy.....those at the top must believe are polcies and attitudes/dogma that are essential for continuance.<br /><br />I can believe it is a concious policy. Probably.<br /><br />Possibly ....."much of this hatred comes from a need to feel superior to others" does apply to the religious hierarchy in general ..... but I think that those at the top of their pyramid, those clear thinkers, they would not hate....they would just have their faith and the faith to protect and feed?<br /><br />Not sure, but it seems plausibleGreginAdelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700327727868020300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-32817823477245808842013-02-10T01:31:02.827-05:002013-02-10T01:31:02.827-05:00Ah, and I'm sure Coop, that you are correct wh...Ah, and I'm sure Coop, that you are correct when it comes to individual ministers making themselves rich that they are ostracised, or at least "corrected".<br />But, I am sure the church elders who do realise and do know that the organisation has at it's roots a core policy to keep the organisation in money...by perpetuation of the species....something gays can't help much with...then they have no qualms sticking with the dogma.<br />They would look to it and justify it as "for the common good" I am sure. GreginAdelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700327727868020300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-67060401667422857562013-02-10T01:26:51.554-05:002013-02-10T01:26:51.554-05:00Coop,
I don't think it is "turning into a...Coop,<br />I don't think it is "turning into a generational thing" ....I would say that it has been that way since religious beliefs began...?<br />Certainly a loooong time anyhows.<br /><br />I think there would be a mixture of elders who see it as just plain "wrong" ...ie against the centruies of teachings.... and there would be some who see it as wrong according to these teachings, but peer pressure would silence them, or at least doubt very seriously their thoughts and their beliefs... how confused those poor souls must feel.<br /><br />I also personally know a few who were very religious ....and who eventually "opened their eyes"....as they put it... or more likely it was a much slower process....full of self doubt, guilt, etc, etc <br />Not that any of them have ever really discussed it in detail with me as all except one are still believers but not active, don't want anything to do with religion...or more to the point, religious organisations and other people on the basis of faith.<br />They've turned their backs on "religion" as it exists amongst people. They tell me they are still believers but they have no need to openly show their religion, nor ahve any need of the physical trappings of "the faith".<br /><br />They say their "religion" is between themselves and God.<br /><br />Fair enough, I have the utmost respect for these people. They've had the courage to realise it for themselves after what must have been a hell on earth of self-doubt.<br /><br />As I've said before, I'm abivalent...amongst other things.... ha. No I do not "believe", but have an open mind. Mine is a world that required proof of existance, proof of everything, in black and white before I can say I "believe". <br />I do not have the "faith" gene.<br /><br />But no matter, I'm open minded.<br /><br />As for the ""young ones" Coop, hmmm... I've not thought about it much....other than to be envious that this generation, this new generation awakening to themselves, their sexual attractions, they have it soo good.<br />Much better than I had it...and any of us older generations.<br /><br />Not so long ago... before the internet I guess.... it was not easy to find and search out opinions of others, attitudes, information etc...tools with which to self-realise much earlier and get on with life.<br /><br />I just wish I had the opportunity to start again in this world...yep, there are a lot of thigns I don't like about this world, things that were much simpler when I grew up.... but they are moanings of old men... I would LOVE to start again and move forward much quicker.<br />Why? Many things I missed out on because I did not realise or learn till I was a bit older.<br /><br />I would love to have had the opportunity we have now to connect, to talk with, to learn about this )(homo)sexual world...and learn that it is "okay" and get on with living...find a partner and move on. <br />I really envy you, Justin and any even younger guys who have that opportunity.... and don't tell me you are too old and missed the cusp of this Coop!...You are still young, no matter what you think. <br />Go get 'em!GreginAdelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700327727868020300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-35609253281236166502013-02-06T21:58:31.720-05:002013-02-06T21:58:31.720-05:00Jimm!!.....Lol....great comment...and observation,...Jimm!!.....Lol....great comment...and observation, you've pondered this before?GreginAdelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700327727868020300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-91522860410750368122013-02-06T18:49:18.015-05:002013-02-06T18:49:18.015-05:00at least i now know WHY all my money says 'In ...at least i now know WHY all my money says 'In God We Trust'<br /><br /><br />jimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114255434616727257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-25687871928542593572013-02-06T18:26:11.122-05:002013-02-06T18:26:11.122-05:00As to Greg's comment about rigid traditions, w...As to Greg's comment about rigid traditions, where ever you go in this world and order a Big Mac, that's what you get... a Big Mac. So even McDonalds realizes the benefit of strict adherence to "dogma".Gary Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17947146717481835071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-41686048223295075212013-02-06T18:15:36.561-05:002013-02-06T18:15:36.561-05:00I suppose there are all kinds of reasons why homop...I suppose there are all kinds of reasons why homophobia exists. One, in my opinion, is that hetero guys feel threatened. I remember the expression "backs against the walls" when I was a teen. Hetero guys, particularly younger guys, feel threatened by the presence of a gay guy. They believe they have something he wants... hence "backs against the walls". The thought of a sexual act that involves them playing the role of the female terrifies them, and is affront to their masculinity, especially in a peer group situation.<br /><br />Conversely, women are less likely to be homophobic towards male gays. They don't see them as a threat. In fact, many women have gay guys as close friends.<br /><br />In any case, human beings are innately suspicious of anything "different". Once people become accustomed to those differences, the phobia disappears. Whoever said familiarity breeds contempt got it wrong. Familiarity is what we need.Gary Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17947146717481835071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4517388058225414110.post-63565156873436860582013-02-06T17:53:54.613-05:002013-02-06T17:53:54.613-05:00Unlike Coop, I've not read any essays on this ...Unlike Coop, I've not read any essays on this subject before.<br /><br />Yes, I was a little dismayed and perhaps a little amused, then bemused, at the pyramid scheme theory....disbelief that this could be a keystone of their organisation, purpose and beliefs. .... at first. Surely not this simple? What a laugh!<br /><br />But, after thinking about it as I went about my morning's work, I started to see how such a goal could be part of their teachings, beliefs and agenda....it could be part of their old core policies for that very reason, money, greed and power.<br /><br />At first consideration, these homophobic "preachings" from these "christians" being made for such long term pyramid financial goals seem hard to swallow...... but, have a think about it....these organisations believe very strongly in their traditions and traditional teachings and I am sure there are "guardians" of the agenda within their organisations that keep a control on what is preached to their members. I would assume that history and tradition are held in strong reverence, as a proven policy and written-in-stone agenda.<br /><br />The fathers and seniors within these old powerful organisations have a commitment to old and well-ingrained "laws" and the reasons of their ancestors behind them, it is possible that some or all of them are aware of and have a commitment to this pyramid policy.<br /> I suggest that it is part of their tradition, part of their reason for being, their fathers upheld it for their benefit and their fathers before them, and so on.... so why would they not keep hold of the tradition?....unless, of course, they could see a way to make even more money by allowing gays within the organisation, something that would displace the pyramid benefits.<br /><br />No doubt there are some preachers-in-training and potential future policy supporters within these organisations, some who would question the anti-gay policies, some who start to make waves... but I can readily imagine that the "elders" of the "faith" would "guide" them to the long-held policy line.<br /><br />Yes, I do not dis-count this theory at all, but I'd like to believe that it is not a part of their concious plan but more like a hangover of ignorant traditional teachings...... I hope, because if it is a concious part of their deep-rooted agenda, shifting and changing it will be impossible. .... only the dilution by clear-thinking individuals will ever lessen it's power and influence.....dilution by the clear thinking Christian individuals like those here on this list.<br /><br />Interesting.<br /><br />Thanks Justin for posting this essay.GreginAdelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11700327727868020300noreply@blogger.com